GroupC: Italy v Serbia Abandoned.

Seems the Serb's actions were very pre-meditated, the Serbian team said they knew this would happen. Which begs questions of why they, or more importantly, the Serbian FA never alerted the carabinieri or the FIGC.

Protests seemed to be about the police crackdown on the anti-gay hooligans at a gay parade in Belgrade last week, general discontent about the Serbian squad, and Serbian nationalism, particularly anti-Kosovo. Of note is that Hillary Clinton is in Serbia today, urging the national government to open talks with Kosovo. Latter seems to be the most likely to me- given the intensity, the planning, and the fact they knew this would go on show…

Class! The Italians started it by booin and disrespecting the guest anthem. Not to mention that if the Italians cant secure their own stadium and prevent from fans BOTH ITALIAN AND SERBIAN from bringing in pyromania then it should be the Italians that lose for not being able to provide a safe atmosphere for themselves and hosts.

In the end its all up to the hosts to organise the event. Serbia should be awarded the win.

Italy 3-0 Serbia

what u smokin'?

If they don't give Italia the points thats just a disgrace

Latter seems to be the most likely to me- given the intensity, the planning, and the fact they knew this would go on show…

Absolutely, the inbreds did not casually have flags with them.

I can't pretend that the image numerous Albanians have painted of Albania across Europe over the last two decades has been very positive but today's display by the Serb fans was once again, more irrefutable proof of the violent, backwards, fucking archaic mentality that characterizes them as a nation.

These motherfuckers are literally, straight out of the fucking zoo.

I really hope that the number besides your name is not your date of birth.

Do u SMOKE POT?

WTF??? thats what happens when you drink de bong water….DONT DRINK THE BONG WATER!!!!

You serbian you!

Absolutely apparent. This was a well choreographed show by the visiting fans. The fact that the Serbian FA were assuming it would happen without notifying the Italian FA and police about this is just as bad. I think it's time for UEFA to do the appropriate thing here.

Isn't it normal to award Italy three points? Remember Inter in Champions League many years back?

The RAI announcers mentioned that a bunch of school children had been bussed in to watch the match (and then showed their confused faces in the crowd). I feel bad for these kids…

get out of here you utter moron. you try and rub your shame off on us

I'm expecting this by the UEFA.

IMO, Italy should get 3-0 win and Serbia's 'field' should get suspended, at least for 2-3 games.

Really? You're actually saying this? Remind me which country attacked their own keeper please.

I watched a Youtube video of the whole ordeal (missed the game due to school) and at one moment it focused on a little boy (probably like 10-11) who looked dumbfounded to say the least.

It's a fucking shame.

what an outrage! we better get the three points out of this…what an embarrassment for the serbians

I was very disappointed to see this…This is very disheartening. I was hoping to see a great match between Italy and Serbia. I WAS rooting for Serbia…but now, heh, Maybe I should just stick with my France (they're doing well for once).

I think it was inter who was the home team in that semi final derby on that occasion. Which is why they received the 3-0 loss to Milan.

You filthy Serb, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

I was talking briefly to one of my Serbian coworkers, a guy who is a huge soccer fan and supporter, a guy that was in the San Nicola when Red Star won the european Cup in '91, and he was pretty embarrased, and basically said they were trying to kill the 'keeper before the game. As Aaron pointed out, they had more than one agenda, and they were all pretty twisted.

What I don't understand is why the polizia couldn't just take out those few Serbian biker dudes sitting on top of the walls and acting like idiots. Pull em off the wall, smash their faces into the ground, cuff em, kick em a bit for good measure, and tote them off as examples. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of those Serbian fans were there to watch the match and would've been just as happy as azzurri tifosi with this outcome.

Of course you were rooting for Serbia, its a natural choice to root for the Serbs

In theory, those clowns deserved a fate worse than that, but the fact is, actions like that by the Polizia and Carribinieri would created a much, much bigger mess. I applaud the police actions

That would have been ideal but as Mikey P noted, it would have only made things worse.

Can you imagine foreign media if let's say one of those p.o.s would have gotten what they deserved by the cops?

EVERYONE would have been screaming bloody murder against Italy, claiming that 'le forze dell ordine' were the ones that incited the violence.

It's unfortunate and it seems like worthless CP bullshit having the special forces line up and not allowing them to do much more than watch but it was at the time the better solution.

Mikey P and Jorid22— I don't really agree…it's basic crowd control 101–separate the trouble makers from their supporters, bust em and slowly get the mass under control. I mean they were destroying private property, inciting violence, etc. If the police are so impotent that they can not act, the situation is pretty hopeless and we are basically inviting those jerks to recreate their stupidity in different stadiums around the world. It's true that it could've escalated the situation, but it sure would've been satisfying to see those jerks suffer a bit.

I see what you mean and honestly I don't know what to say.

I just read on Vecchia Signora, that the special forces were apparently lined up outside of the Marassi and they really put their batons to use.

See the problem in this situation begins and ends with how the fans are sectioned off in these stadiums. Having a supporter section completely isolated like caged animals causes logistics issues for the police. It used to be you could have the riot patrol enter these areas and start beating everyone to take order. But, with that being taboo, this now becomes a suicidal affair. Had the riot police entered the supporters section then there would have been utter chaos.

What italy should learn from this mess is that having such sections are counter productive. What they need to do is remove all of the barricades. The plexiglass walls need to be taken down. This way, if something like this happens again (a) the police not the riot patrol can section off the culprits quicker, by moving in through the back and through the front, rather than simply watch.

For instance, why was the one tatooed individual among the last people to leave the stadium. In north america, as soon as you see one person start getting out of control there's already a staff member on the case telling him to calm down, followed by a quiet police escort. When your locked up like a group of caged animals, you tend to make the entire section a complete disaster.

I think it's a mentality that needs to change, just about every european country has these sections, they need to be re-imagined. As sections like this cause greater security risks.

I can't really support the idea of giving Italy a 3-0 victory by default.
I do agree that they probably couldn't have more to ensure the safety inside the stadium.

But in my opinions it seemd hardly fair to punish the serbian team, because of the … (well, i cannot use the word “fan” here)… hooligans from their country. The serbian team even tried to calm the situation, eventhough it were some of their players who were especially targeted in the riot.

Also, the qualifying in Group C is in a quite hot phase right now, since Estonia, N. Ireland and Slowenia (also serbia) are pretty much even if serbia would win the match.
It wouldn't be just a huge advantage for italy to give them the points, also a major, (And, let's be serious) and unfair disadvantage to all the others in Group C.

Why shouldn't it be something like, the serbian football association (or whatever they're called) has to pay the entrance fee back to the italien fans. As for the points… It must be somehow possible to postpone the match do a different place without public around (Not sure when, since I don't know the match schedule to the italien league)

And by utter chaos, people would have been seriously injured and right now we'd be talking about deaths. The police did the right thing under the circumstances.

but then we lose the home advantage of having a fan base cheering us on. why should we and our fans miss out because of those wankers?

That's true, I guess.

Hm… Good thing the decision is not in my hands. But still, a simple 3-0 Victory by default is as unfair as this.

“It must be somehow possible to postpone the match do a different place without public around”

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

something needs to be done to punish them…otherwise they'll just keep doing it at other games

if this would have happened to spain at bernabeu, spain would have gotten an atutomatic 3 points, but since everyone hates the fuck out of us they're probably gonna com out saying some bs about how its not fair for the serbian players
FORZA AZZURRI !!!!!! 3-0
the rules are the rules uefa

This is quite a messy situation. Unlike most people here, I can't exactly say that giving Italy the win would be magically “fair” somehow. To punish the Serbian team for the actions of people they do not control seems more than a bit harsh. Especially when the 7 minutes we got to see mostly came because for that brief period, the Serbian team were able to appeal to their fans to calm down.

However, to punish the Italian team would seem even more unfair. I.e. To lose our home-field advantage and have the game moved to a neutral location. Although we haven't faced Serbia in Serbia yet. Perhaps we can just have BOTH games in a neutral location. I don't know how these things work and if this is possible.

The bottom line is that there really is no such thing as a fair result no matter what is decided with this fixture.

What do you mean by “field?” You can't possibly mean the players, do you?

True… But it has to be something that punishes the hooligans…. not the players or the the other's in group C

Honestly, after seeing the things that happend in the stadium, it doesn't appear that the serbian hooligans give a damn, if their team loose points

I don't want to get too much into politics as this is a calcio forum, but another situation where I wish the US would keep our nose out of where it doesn't belong, this is a Balkan issue and a Serbia-Kosovo issue, we don't need to get fucking involved.

but what happens after this? thank god im not serbian…how shameful

Not to make light of a tragic and horrible situation, but it truly is astounding the lengths some people will go to to keep Zambrotta from playing.

I wish the Serbian team safe passage home & in their future, and hope this doesn't mess up our team's psyche too much. It's a sad, sad day for the beautiful game.

Aaron, I think most Americans share your sentiments, too. I always feel humiliated to be American when we trespass our borders and inflict our beliefs upon others. It would be nice if we took half as much interest in our own borders.

Now that our actions may have helped to stop a football match, particularly an AZZURRI match, now we have crossed a line. I would feel really bad about genocide, but don't mess with my football!! (J/K)

Sorry but most reports claim the Serbian FA knew that some of their fans were acting like animals and attacked their own goalie. Ultras and hooligans are ruining the games. The best thing to do is to punish the team. Not only should they lose but also be suspended a couple of games. These kinds of punishments will turn the casual fans against the thugs and lead to more proper behavior in the stands. No other ruling is possible. I would say the same thing if it was Italians acting this way.

Yeah but if their country gets suspended then they won't be going to any games to cause more problems. I also think that if they catch those guys on top of the glass throwing flares there should be a way to revoke future stadium attendance. Ban them forever from ever going to a soccer match.

i agree. if the FA knew, then you punish them

This is pretty simple- 3-0 for Italy. Ban on Serbian fans at future games in this group.

BUT it being UEFA{Frenchies}, the blame will be put on Italy.

DO YOU PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SIMONE PEPE IS NOT IN THE LINE-UP!?!?!?!?!

Classic!

let's hope we do get the 3-0 result, otherwise de rossi might be better by the time we do the replay and prandelli will go back to a 4-3-3 with borriello!
seriously though…even for 7 minutes of game time, did you guys see how much better the 4-4-2 worked?

I disagree that the football pitch is “no place for politics.” What is a national team if not politics? I mean, if international politics don't matter, why have national teams? The whole idea of national teams is that one nation comes together to show that it is better than the other nation at that sport. There are always subplots of political issues at play. They are what makes international matches interesting.

To clear up the confusion, the police hesitated to beat their face in because of the neg publicity genovese police had amassed during the g eight meetings a few years back. I think thst serbia should be eliminated from euro qualifying what was seen shouldn't be accepted in the third world in 2050 much less the developed world in 2010, what a fucking shame I hv of being. A socceer fan like these beasts, the whole marassi singing fratelli d'italia to stick it to the serbs gave me the chills, gentlemen if I've ever seen one…

He must be given the captain's armband, immediately.

It shows how bad Italy played vs. Northern Ireland.

F. Islands 1 – N. Ireland 1

Punishing Serbia is fair, rewarding Italy is fair, but if I were a Northern Ireland supporter, I'd be a little pissed off if Italy is rewarded a 3-0 win.

So let's say the FA knew… what are they supposed to do to about it? You seriously suggest suspending the team for a couple of games? Which could probably put them out of the competition and Serbia is now not at Euro 2012 because… a few people who have nothing to do with either side decided to ruin a game.

Your other serious suggestion is to turn the casual fans against the thugs. Because rioting in the stands BETWEEN fans would TOTALLY “lead to more proper behavior.”

And all of this doesn't address that the Serbians involved hardly cared about the football before them. They were concerned about domestic political issues and this was simply a venue for them. They couldn't care less if the team is suspended; it's obvious they didn't even want to see the game that they had bought tickets for, never-mind future games. You cannot POSSIBLY honestly believe that suspending a football team will prevent situations like this in the future.

i wasn't allowed into a serie A game this past january because it was a “high risk game” and i wasn't a resident of the city.
little did i know i could've gone to an international match instead, with flares and knives!

Yes, because you can ban somebody from going to any soccer match ever, anywhere in Europe and/or the world and whether this is club soccer or international soccer.

Perhaps we should have a DATABASE. Let's get Interpol on this! MaurizioRoca, your suggestions get increasingly better with each comment!!!

I mean I looooooooooove the one where you so brilliantly point out that if there IS no games with the Serbian team, Serbian hooligans can't ruin them. I say if our International Database of Douchebags doesn't work out, we just get rid of Serbia as a team. THAT'LL SHOW 'EM

It's completely ridiculous to punish Serbia.

What if in Italy's corresponding game against Serbia, a bunch of Serbs dress up as Italians, imitate them and we get the same result.

Should Serbia then be given a 3-0 win in return?

Quite simply play the game behind closed doors, because 1. Serbian fans can't behave which is a danger and 2. Those @ the stadium were unable to adequaltely deal with the problem and there was insufficient security to host a major sporting event.

I honestly am sick and tired of people judging Serbs by the past while most of you people who are commenting here have no idea of what really was happening in this area in past decades.

Especially won't let be judged by the Italians who were fascistic in past while Serbs were not, or Americans who started many wars cause of money and not world peace, even in WW1 you were defending money you borrowed to England and France that's how you got involved in, for change, real rebellion against occupation, cause others were fiction you made to sell t other people while money was behind all scene.

And people say let past be past when it comes to wars in which they were included and somehow Serbs are still animals?
There are hooligans in every country so I honestly don't know what the hell are you talking about here, calling all nation animals or violent?

Did you forget English hooligans, how about Italians who made riots cause their national team screwed up in World Cup. Some players claim how matter of hooligans is still unsolved in Italy.

I'm sick of generalizing cause real Serbia supporters are devastated and really angry with what happen last night cause they don't want to all decisions to be made, destiny or reputation be build by some gang who is behaving madly.

I would like to see what would have happened if they had a staff member approach the Serb's and politely ask them to calm down. I'm sure they would have listened.

nobody here is blaming all serbian fans, but whatever issues these idiots brought along to the game with them had nothing to do with italy and nothing to do with football. we're pissed off because we didn't get to play and hearing that the serbian FA were aware of the problems is even worse.

Several Serbian players attempted this. They didn't listen.

Well I'm pissed off also, dunno if they were completely aware of danger this could happen, probably hoping it will not.

As story goes there are groups well organized and paid to do things like this who don't want Serbia in EU so now they started riots in every area, gay parade, this game etc. Cause I'm in Belgrade so I'm seeing those things live and Hillary Clinton is here and there are no riots not yesterday not today. And most of the Serbs can't afford to go to Italy and watch the game, as I said those groups are paid to make shits.

Second – it's a same thing as for hooligans in other countries in general they make shits abroad while they are peaceful at home, although I admit some of them aren't .

Third – Italians have mob as there is some mob clans here and they are all well connected so I'm pretty sure if world was informed about gay parade riots your police was aware there would be some risks during the game yesterday especially if all started in town before the game.

So all they had to do is not allowing them to enter the stadium and empty that area but I guess were patiently waiting to escalate so now you have 3 points in pocket.

And fourth they attacked Stojkovic our goal keeper so I'm guessing some of them are Red Star hooligans cause he was in their team and now he's playing for Partizan, for Champions League.

Some of the Red Star and Partizan hooligans are extremes and they are pissing me off all the time like hooligans in general cause supporting one team doesn't mean beat supporters from other team, rob, destroy town, or spit on them or in worst cases kill.

Twisted version of love for the team they have in their heads same as Chelsea hooligans or some others in the past.

And I'm pissed off cause of that small sicko gang millions suffer or get punished.

hey marco…allow my links

You get a golf clap. Well played.

guys…head over to football italia website…it looks like we're getting the 3-0 victory

if UEFA do what they normally do in these situations, then it will be a 3-0 win for Italy and Serbia will be forced to play in a neutral venue with no fans for 2-3 games, fair is fair, if your fans get the game abandoned your team pays the price. it has happened many times before and this is the usual punishment, now if we don't get the 3 points and have to schedule another match in the middle of a busy season, well that my friends is bullshit!….And i don't see why any of the other teams in the group would be complaining as it means that Serbia got no points and the race for second place is now in their hands, Slovenia, Northern Ireland and Estonia now all have a chance of making the play offs

He sent in a great cross for Pazzini to make a meal of…

Polizia arrested that fat fuck in the mask … pushed his face all in the ground and let him taste Genova Soil. Lol eat that tubby.

well fairness is not the issue here it's the fact that if the Serb supporters are going to conduct themselves like this in another country what will happen wen traveling teams visit Serbia? maybe it's time to say NO, you are out of the comp. defaut the points to the opposing side and in 10 years or so let them back in? remember the English teams and who the FA have sorted the english mess out ? might be worth the pain in the long run!

if it was English fans – we'd be banned from Intenational football for 20 years….they'll probably just get a small fine and a slap on the wrist….

Come on man. Don't attack us Italians. How did we do anything wrong? This is nothing to do with us. Can you honestly suggest that we'd let this happen to ensure a win?!?!

English hooligans were terrible for years. Aren't you glad they managed to fix it?

No I am blaming them same as hooligans. If you claim we should do something then I say your police should be more harsh and not just looking at everything waiting to be solved by miracle. I know if violence starts in streets all across town our police arrest them instantly. After gay parade riots almost 200 people are arrested including leader of biggest nationalist extremes.

As you can see not even for second I'm not defending hooligans even though huh they claim they are Serbs, I don't see them as Serbs, and I don't see them as supporters, even though I am also pissed by some political injustice that was done to my country cause people never had all facts just what was served on news. But I don't like when they use sports as way to send rebellion message to the world or politicians in my country. Like I don't like in general when it comes to many teams that rivalry between people who call themselves supporters and actually are just hooligans looking for a fight , spread violent behavior just because other side wears different team colors.

Honestly, I blame MEN in general for being stupid so they managed to develop next to the nationalism, hate cause you are different color, nation or race like it wasn't enough so they brought in this world hate on football/ sport base and violence where's not place for that. Many blokes forgot what sport and all those events are for – cheering, supporting your team and proudly take defeat and congratulate to winner.

And in general I'm fed up arguing about this matter cause then all the time I think it's sad that girl should give some lessons about sport to some guys and it's pointless cause they are just being thick headed and dumb.

so it isn't ok to blame serbs, but it's ok to throw all americans,italians and 3.5 billion men into the line of blame? well done…

There were no mess when Lithuania was playing here or Arsenal against Partizan.

And for all people please try to make difference between supporters and hooligans.

Cause they are not allowing links to be posted here look for

Partizan-Arsenal-Hajde,hajde da pevamo…. on you tube

Those are real supporters even they lost.

Normally I'd say you were right, but if the entire purpose of these particular hooligans is to prevent the games from being played, aren't you just handing them a victory by canceling the game? Won't that just encourage them to do it again? Normally in these cases we see one group of fans going after another, or racist chants or some such, but they still want the games played…….

We're hearing all kinds of things, and frankly when it comes to news from the Balkans, if you can't speak Serbo-Croatian, good luck knowing what's going on. We don't really know yet what they knew or didn't know, or what they told the Italians or didn't tell them….maybe we should wait and see what UEFA finds?

I love the revisionism mixed in with the strawmen fallacies pimped out by those who laughably attempt to blame Italy for this embarrassment. I mentioned it on the last post, I'm sick and tired of people acting as apologists for thugs. Like we saw by the French with Zidane. THE ACTION is what IS JUDGED.

These may have been the actions of a minority and non-soccer fans but they were Serbian and they must account for their actions. Unfortunately, the soccer team will have to pay the price. They cost the game and as is usually the case, they pay the price. In this case, the three points. It happened to Sweden-Denmark in 2008 when a lone Danish nut attacked someone on the pitch. Sweden RIGHTLY got the three points.

As for the history and politics of the Balkans. Spare me. Keep your baggage at home. These people are still complaining about things that happened 700 years ago. Get a life.

Someone has to accept responsibility. Let's see what the UEFA report reveals.

Oi sorry but aren't u narrow minded. Did I blame all Americans did I blame all Italians as other people type all the time Serbs this or that ? I didn't notice that I did anything like that. I said if people are generalizing in our case then they should not be shocked as some Americans are why some nations don't like them cause they voted for their government to do the mess around the world .

I blamed police for not being more tough and I blamed hooligans for making mess, so dunno what are u talking about.

And by the facts from the whole history not a single war started cause of woman, or hatred on religion matter, race matter or here football matter between opposite teams in any country as it exists so yes, blame men and testosterone in general ..LOL

you're right, Dictators and politicians have been using the beautiful game for their agenda for the last century boys and girls

as i said, you want respect for serbs yet you disrespect 3.5 billion people+billions more over the ages. surely you can see the idiocy in that type of thinking.
the only fact from yesterday's thuggery was that serbs were responsible, so yes it is fair that the serbian fa pays for it's nation. not ideal, but it's the best solution, and it's the way such incidents have been dealt with by fifa over the years, i don't see why an excception has to be made for yesterday. and fyi, that applies for all nations before you come out with some discrimination nonsense. no one from this board has blamed/insulted any specific group apart from the hooligans except you

OIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII u see what u want to see I was never talking about avoiding punishment in case you didn't notice, I said I'm pissed off on hooligans cause now millions and team will pay for their lousy behavior. I was talking about generalizing so blaming all Serbs cause of 300 hundred hooligans and not making difference between hooligans and real supporters as some people do when it comes to their country but not here. So I rest my case cause u apparently didn't get the joke at the end when I said I blame men and their testosterone, which usually is the reason for violent behavior in all fights.

You're a girl? Awesome! You came to the right place then, we're italian men. Are you hot? All is forgiven if you are.

why? Drawing with the faroes will harm their campaign more than this!!

They can't punish the hooligans, so, the Team must pay for the disturbance.

Someone here wishes another game with the gates open, but the same thing can occurs again.

I think the best solution is another game without Serbia fans, no 3×0 because the fact, by the way, the security showed no competence to control the situation.

Yes, Zidane is a thug for attacking a man who called his mom and sister a whore…BRAVO!!!!

In that sense Materazzi is a saint for doing so…

If Zidane's reaction was that he deserved to be booted off. I've heard 6 year old children use far more significant language than matrix did.

no one has blamed ALL the serbs, but it's a sad fact of life that the many suffer the consequences of the few, and tbh it's the only option as Italy was faultless in this imo. so i guess we're basically on the same page, just don't ask people not to generalise and then do it yourself in the same post

i don't agree, esp with the serbians dressed as italians bit which would be impossible to pull off, i hope that wasn't serious.

but why shouldnt this match be allowed to take place in italy w/o away fans? behind closed doors would take away italy's home advantage which would be taking away an advantage away from italy, that doesn't make sense.

AN ANNOUNCEMENT FROM UEFA
“Following the abandonment of yesterday's UEFA EURO 2012 qualifying match between Italy and Serbia at the Stadio Luigi Ferraris in Genoa after only six minutes of play, UEFA has confirmed today that it has immediately opened a full and thorough disciplinary investigation into the incidents of serious disorder witnessed at the match and the circumstances surrounding it.

Once the full dossier is completed, with the assistance of both the referee and delegate reports, the matter will be put before the independent UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body for further review and possible sanctions.

The sanctions that are available to the Control and Disciplinary Body can be found in the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations, edition 2008, Article 14, and range from a reprimand or fine, up to a stadium closure or “disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions”.

The proposed date for the meeting of the Control and Disciplinary Body to hear this case is Thursday 28 October.”

Sure. But if Italy were to top the group over goal difference, with Northern Ireland in second place, it would be understandable why NI would be unhappy with the decision to award Italy 3-0.

Well some people here did so I answer to them to cut with double standards in case you didn't get it

Second one person wisely commented how punishing whole nation and team would be a reward to these hooligans then they achieved whet they wanted to accomplish.

That kind of violent mentality would never get things right if they don't feel something on their own skin. That's why I said that Italian cops suppose to be more affective when they started things before the game crashing things in town and after if I was on their place would not allow any of them to put one step on stadium.

Not to mention how apparently that monkey ( I apologize to all monkeys for this metaphor) with the mask who was tripping how he's spiderman managed to sneak in baggage area to pass the border come to your country, as news claim.

And now you are practicing female discrimination based on psychical look, tztztz shame on you, not getting points for that ..LOL

Well some Scandinavians thought I'm hot as hell cause I speak my mind all the time and I'm brutally honest and won't back off if someone's wrong, if that counts .

I don't have ego tripping as some guys have so I think I'm plain and some people think I'm to harsh for myself. I'm tough judge for everyone even myself.

Not that I would expect these Serbs to have half a brain but wouldn't you think if you went to the trouble of covering your face and starting a riot you would cover up any potential identifying marks (tattoos)?

i bet dangiela is a serb babe

No need to bet I said it

I said the same thing how dumb that guy was yesterday when I was talking with my friends, but I guess too much testosterone rushed to his non existing brain, ego tripping is serious disease ..

Nonesense loads of wars were started because of women and women have started plenty of wars themselves. (Boudica, Grace O'Malley, Joan of Arc, The Amazons, Queen Zenobia…to name a few) Are you stating that war is a human invention?….Well what about ants and termites??….Anyway why are you on an Italian Football forum spouting your insipid theories???…..Nevermind your political cac!

I am appalled that anyone is trying to justify the actions of these “fans”. I think it's been mentioned that it was clearly premeditated, well planned and targeted at the Serbian team by their own fans. My sympathies to the real Serbia fans who were there to cheer on their team and are now going to suffer the consequences of the actions of a few terrorists. No one should have to play against a team when they fear for their safety and that of their fans. The Serbian team shouldn't have to play if they fear their own fans. There are precedents for this and they should be followed fairly. Anyone trying to blame Italy for this is too biased to listen to the facts.

I think you misunderstood what I said – try to make difference between starting a war for just conquering , fighting against occupation and the ones that were taking part in wars in which their nations were involved.

If my memory serves me well Boudica fought against Roman invasion, Joan of Arc was in the war that started between Catholics and Protestants and their kings started it. Grace O'Malley was defended Irish water from England occupation. As stories tell Amazons fought in Trojan war that was not started as we all know by them, as Queen Zenobia who also fought against Roman Empire..

Correct me if I'm wrong

One quick question, I thought that if a team forfeited a match, or a match was abandoned, the “winning” side would get the points ans a 2-0 score (1 goal per half). How did they come up with the 3-0 score?

You sound feisty dangiela. I like that. Let's discuss football hooliganism further over dinner some time!

Italians were innocent bystanders of these wild animals terrorizing one stadium and two countries (normal Serbian suffer because of this too). But Italian police is not innocent bystander of these events… How can Mr. Masucci (if I spelled it correctly) could state that they “pushed those fans in the stands without searching them so they would stop destroying the city”? I mean is your police retarded or what is the problem? To let those people in the stand without trough search was a killer to this match. I wonder if that is what they wanted to happen? I am not really conspiracy theorist but it is at least lousy organization.

niceee, wats cookin good lookin aha

not to disagree completely, but the Italy game provided possibly the biggest European TV audience that these imbeciles could get. Lithuania or Partizan, who cares.

who ever was their PR agent picked a good venue for them.

obviously never seen Mexican female wrestling.

i was wondering why the police didn't unleash the hose on the douchebag with the black shirt and knock him off the wall, but in reality, when you are dealing with that many people, it is better to just let the situation diffuse itself.

the Italian police did the right thing.

in the end, far fewer people were hurt.

these people were not Serb supporters. any supporter would never have done this to their own team or countrymen.

these people were thugs with a separate agenda.

also, i agree about most of the people here – they have no idea of the history in the Balkans.

i tried to give a couple of lessons on the game preview post, but i do not know if people care or even read the stuff.

here is the scum bag who ruined football for his own country and for ours:
http://www.ilsussidiario.net/img/ANSA/bogdanovic_ultra_italia_serbia_R400_13ott10.jpg

Lol Ni hao ..So now you are making pure poetry and guessing how I'm good looking judging by the picture which is BTW same as yours ..:D

ooops… here comes the big fat boy with his ugly remarks, the old fart boy of fifa missiouuuu blatter said: “You have given to the world security in the stadiums,” Blatter said in London as he was briefed on England’s 2018 World Cup bid. “You have built all your stadia. There are no fences and everyone is sitting. If this had been the case we would not have had the problems we had in Genoa yesterday at the match.

so the big fuck is blaming Italy's security, hmmm… what do u think dudes?

yes they can punish those hooligans, and they should. the team will also catch some of the backlash though

lol anythin as good lookin as my picture deserves to be catered towards;)

Not to mention, he didn't call anyone a whore. All he said was I'd like the shirt off of your sister. I can't believe we still have to defend something from friggin 4 years ago. Jesus H. Christ.

As a deprived fan who has never attended a live match, do they generally search people going into the stadium?

Ah baggage jerk / “muscles pumped for nothing” whoosie / ego tripping coward ..

Or as we say here old horse ( I apologize to horses and all sounds better in my language ..matora konjina) with early midlife crises so climbs the net like he's being in primary school trying to pass physical education..

How did these hooligans get inside the stadium with all of the weapons and flares they had? Does anyone get searched when entering at Luigi Ferraris? Serbian authorities informed the Italian federation of the troublemakers that we're attending. Why were they still let in? Why did the Italian police not go in the stands and remove those handful of fans causing the trouble, like at every other stadium? Instead, they stood on the pitch and watched the action. If there was violence the night before the game, why were 'any' Serbian fans allowed in the stadium? The Italian Soccer Federation certainly has some explaining to do

Usually, yes, especially since the whole “war on terror” started. It's pretty much at all sporting events. Everyone's bags are checked at least. But for a football game, I've been checked at every single match, in North America and Europe. Lighters, pens, matches, anything that can be a projectile, it all goes in the garbage. But if there was fighting and violence the night before with those hooligans. How could they afford not to search everyone?? Especially anyone with a Serbian jersey? I don't get it…

For the record… the Serbian population is far more eductaed than the Italian. Feel free to look it up But please don't confuse the actions, and the brain, of one complete idiot to the rest of the Serbian population. That would just be brainless…

Well said. Your resolution makes sense. And the Serbian Football Federation needs ot be punished for sure. But to be kicked out of the tournament or an automatic 3-0 loss is certainly too harsh. There will certainly be monitary penalties and banning of the fans for certain games.