The Amauri Debate.

lamagica, whether you may like him as an “Italian” or not, Camoranesi was and still is the only player on the Azzurri “che salta l’uomo” (i.e. that can take players one on one). It’s a sad situation, but Italy haven’t exactly abunded with dribblers lately. Totti’s gone, and Cassano’s in quarantine till he gets back into Lippi’s good graces (i.e. until he scores 30 goals in Serie A), so to have a player like Camoranesi that provides us with that additional tactical capability is definitely a plus. Not a minus. Whether or not he was instrumental in the World Cup 2006 win is up for debate for you, but I think that he was.

Concerning Amauri, some have said there are players like him… but are there really? My take on Amauri is that he’s a “Luca Toni with speed that can dribble”. Frankly, I don’t see a great deal of Azzurri candidates fitting that description on the horizon. Italy can only get stronger with Amauri, and frankly given the way he’s playing at the moment, I’d rather have with us than against us.

And as for the “not really Italian debate”, I see no problem in having a few “oriundi” on the team. It’ll still be La Nazionale, and having 2-3 Brazilians/Argies on the roster will never change that fact. If the Italian government’s criteria deem these players are entitled to an Italian passport, that’s good enough for me.

Posted from  Italy

guys, let us be honest here…..iam really proud to say that historically, our Nazionale has had more originality than any other of the football super power nations…2006 world cup squad was the originailty at its best ,all 23 players in the squad playing in serie A and more importantly, all of them with the exception of Camoronesi were true blue sons of the soil..camoronesi is from tandel, Argentina, when he arrived to Italia, he was just a budding youngster, even when he went through motions in Verona and also in Cremonese, he was still not a full footballling talent..he was never ever considered for argentina…he honed his entire skills in Italia and he became the player he is in Italia, he has moreover Italian grandfather…on the other hand, amauri doesnt have anything ITALIAN in him except from his wife´s side…Also, it is note worthy that Amauri honed his skills and became the player he is only after spending his career here..For me, he has lost the credibility and the previlage to represent the Azzurri after he openly declared that he preferred Brazil as the first choice..
Another thing..definately we dont need him..no way..Somehow, i feel that even Iaquinta as the perfect wide out player( on either flanks) will be more effective than Amauri even though at the moment he is struggling to find a place in Juve side…No way we need Amauri..we have a perfect mixture of experience with youth…Rossi, Quagliarella,Cassano(if selected by the cigar chomping dictator), Gilardino..will perfectly compliment Toni,DiNatale, Iaquinta….On the other hand, our midfield will also be a great combo of youth and experience…DeRossi, camoronesi,Gattusso,Pirlo,Brighi( he must be brought in) will compliment the likes of Aquilani, Montolivo, Giovinco…..
The defence will be allright when we go to South Africa..Chiellini , Canna, Santacroce, legra( for centre backs)…Zambrotta, Dossena, Deceglie, Grosso, maggio, De Silvestre……..for full backs

and oh yea..come on guys, we have the best goalkeeper in the world..The superman without a cape..

and yesss..taddei sux..come on guys, we have better players than Taddei!!!
Perrotta was reciving the flak since a long time but i saw him playing exceptionally well in the last month or so and has been a very important part of Roma revival..Totti for a return to the national side??dont kid me!!Totti and Del Piero must rather enjoy the twilight of their careers and continue giving joy to their loyal supporters in their respective clubs..Both Totti and Del Piero have been unbelievable this season for their clubs..

if camoronesi, da costa, monti, vojak, santacroce, orsi, wilson, altafini, schiaffino…… can play for italy
why not amauri?

Posted from  United States

Simple m-o, many of those guys had Italian lineage which amauri doesn’t.

Those that didn’t/don’t, have no business being part of an ITALIAN nt, including camoranesi who’s ethnic connections are a little too tenuous in my opinion.

Marco , personally I am not interested or would be proud to win trophies on the backs of foreign ringers. Save that for the less sacred club football.

Posted from  Canada

Hey my name is marwan and i’ve got good skills i’ld love to be a member of an italian club 96103054838

Posted from  Lebanon

lamagica, “on the backs of foreign ringers” implies the majority of our national team would be composed of such players. Clearly not the case now, nor will it ever.

By the way:

http://sport.kataweb.it/index.php?page=news&id=3460563

CALCIO, AMAURI: ORGOGLIOSO DI SAPERE CHE ITALIANI MI VOGLIONO
Nel corso di un’intervista a Sky Amauri ha detto di essere “orgoglioso e molto onorato di sapere che tutti i tifosi italiani tifano per me, che io possa indossare la maglia della Nazionale. Non potete neanche immaginare, per me è un orgoglio immenso”. (Pao.Pres) (17/12/2008) (Spr)

Which translates to:
During a interview to Sky television, Amauri declared he was “proud and very honoured to have all Italian supporters cheer for having me wear the national team jersey. You can’t even imagine how much this fills me with pride.”

Posted from  Italy

no, it actually doesnt. ‘ringers’ is a term that defines a handful of player(s) that are brought onto a team who arent really ‘legitimately’ qualified to play on that team. it doesnt imply the bulk of the team at all.

as for the quote, i cant imagine him saying anything different when posed a question regarding his possible incusion to the nt. what else would you expect him to say, “no big deal”? he has to sell it because he knows full well how contentious this issue is amonst italians and azzurri supporters. also, i am pretty sure not ALL azzurri supporters are cheering for him to wear the shirt. i’m certainly not and so arent a few others here. i hope to god dunga calls him first and he accepts so we can put the last nail in this proverbial coffin.

btw, marco, are you a juve supporter by chance?

Posted from  Canada

Considering he writes for the ADP Offside….seems pretty obvious.

Posted from  United States

it would seem obvious had i known that fact.

Posted from  Canada

Taddei? YEAH FRIGGIN RIGHT

Posted from  United States

it would seem obvious had i known that fact.

True true. Then you should check it out. He does good work- http://delpiero.theoffside.com

Posted from  United States

hi guys, it is really sad to see many of you discard and dismiss Luca Emiliano Toni as useless..just do remember that he was the guy who was instrumental to get us into 2006 world cup and also to 2008 Euro cup..And before you guys call him a spent force, just let me remind you guys, it is just because of bad luck combind with his burn out state that he is not performing upto expectations..believe me, he is not finished yet, he is still scoring goals in galore in Bundesliga which is not an easy place to play..Also, Lippi knows perfectly well what he is upto, he is just trying to integrate the squad and make it more united and comprehensive, believe me, it is a matter of time before Luca Toni and even Gilardino hit the form with the national squad and with the likes of DiNatale, Quagliarella, Rossi, cassano to support..and with a very very talented midfield of de Rossi, Pirlo, Gattusso( the injury was a blessing in disguise, he will be roaring fit when he is back..), Aquilani, Montolivo, Rosina, Brighi, DÁgostoni, camoronesi, marchisio,marchionni, Palladino,Giovinco………..we have embarrasment of riches who will peak at the right time…..Iàm watching De Ceglie´s emergance closely and he has been astonishing, especially the runs down the left and crosses!!!!And he can get back and defend as well..Pls dont be surprised if we teach Brazil a lesson or two in the friendly and also in the confederations cup….AND SCREW AMAURI.. we dont need him, we have the mafioso Vinnie Iaquinta who can drag the entire opposition defnce to the left , thereby creating the space for others….

In the meantime..

Cassano, “The National team? For me, it is a closed chapter.”

lamagica, I wasn’t stressing your use of the word “ringers”, but your use of the word “backs”. You’re somehow suggesting these foreigners would alone carry the weight of bringing glory to the Azzurri, something for which they’d definitely need to be in greater number than two.

And yes, I support Juve, not that it has anything to do with the present debate. You’re free to think otherwise but if Amauri wasn’t playing for us, yet still scoring all these sh**loads of goals, I’d still want him in La Nazionale. He is just that good.

Posted from  Italy

the only thing Amauri deserves, having played 5 years in Italy, is a working visa. no one deserves Italian citizenship for that.

sure he is a good player but we don’t need him and he doesn’t really belong. Balotelli has lived in and played in Italy as well as having been raised by Italians. he has an Italian cultural identity and obviously an affinity for Italy since he has always thought about playing for Italy … not Ghana.

yes Amauri is good, but so what. we have more than enough good strikers … Lippi just has to call them up (no Gila, no Toni).

I would rather Totti back than Amauri.

All these news about Amauri will be put to rest on the 1st of January when he will be officialy handed over the Italian passport…Dunga was an iduiot when he mentioned that he had more good strikers at his disposal but he is doing an U turn now after amauri´s show against RealMadrid and since then in serie a..I think it is too late for Dunga and he will live to regret his words..if u guys did not know, Amauri has already posed with the national team jersey in Tuttosport and i dont think it was just for marketing purposes, it was not a nike or a puma or an adidas commercial, it was a commercial with the national jersey..That should be a proof for all that Amauri is all set to be called by lippi and i wont be surprised if he were to score against Brazil in his first match..believe me, the guy is too good and iam just salivating at the prospect of a 4-3-1-2 with Amauri and Toni playing in front with either cassanoor Del piero or Totti or Giovinco or Quagliarella behind the two strikers…with a midfield of Pirlo, Gattusso and De Rossi and the defence of Chiellini, Canna, Grosso/De Ceglie and zambrotta, this will be devastating…

This is how our squad should be:

Buffon
Zambrotta Chiellini Legrottaglie/Cannavaro Grosso
Camoranesi Pirlo/Gattuso De Rossi
Del Piero/Totti
Amauri Toni

A “/” means have them alternate. And have Di Natale, Miccoli, Amelia, etc ready on the bench, and we’re all set. Also, Di Natale starting instead of Toni might be a good idea too, but i was thinking more a twin towers approach with Amauri and Toni up front and Del Piero/Totti, Camoranesi, etc providing the creativity and support.

Amauri: ‘Il mio sogno è giocare per il Brasile”

17:40 del 27 dicembre

L’arttaccante brasiliano in odore di convocazione da parte di Marcello Lippi rivela al portare Terra Espotes i suoi sognui. In prims quello di giocare con la maglia della nazionale brasliiana: “”Sono brasiliano e se avessi la possibilità abbraccerei di tutto cuore la Seleção. Il mondiale del 2010? E’ il mio sogno”.

Alla domanda se per lui sia già pronta una maglia con la nazionale italiana, l’italobrasiliano non ha dubbi: “Come ho già detto tutte queste voci – continua Amauri – sono segno che sono con molto considerato in Italia, a causa del fatto che lavoro sempre molto seriamente. Ma io sono brasiliano, e l’unica nazionale che mi potrà convocare è la nazionale brasiliana”.

In ogni caso llo juventino non ha mai parlato con Dunga, l’attuale tecnico verdeoro: “Non ho mai parlato con lui – continua Amauri – e non è vero che mi abbia mai chiamato”:

Il prossimo match internazionale del Brasile sarà proprio contro l’Italia, e Amauri potrebbe essere convocato da entrambe le nazionali: “Vediamo che succederà – termina lo juventino – Amauri – Ho pensato a questa possibilità, ma allo stesso tempo ho lasciato la cosa per il futuro. Sono una persona che sa aspettare gli eventi, ma posso ripetere che io sono brasialino. Non c’è da aspettare per questo giusto? Al momento non c’è possibilità che la nazionale italiana mi convochi”.

La madre di Amauri, intatnto, fa il tifo perché lui vesta la maglia azzurra: “ Ha detto questo – risponde stupito Amauri? La chiamerò subito dopo l’intervista per chiederle perché. In ogni caso lei sa che la decisione dipende da me”

Queste le parole della madre di Amauri Janete Oliveira: “Il sogno di mio figlio è quello di giocare per il Brasile, ma in verità dovrebbe abbracciare l’Italia, il Paese che gli ha dato tutto.
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dont these heart-felt words sound like those of a dedicated azzurro, anxious to play for the love of the country and shirt?

it’s insane that some of you guys are willing to embrace a guy that clearly treats the potential azzurri option as second-rate consolation….not to mention that he is not one ounce italian and could potentially shut the door on a very qualified, legitimate italian who would kill for that opportunity.

Posted from  Canada

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more expression of amauri’s love for the azzurro shirt:

Amauri: I may snub Italy and Brazil Friday 2 January, 2009

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Juventus striker Amauri is fed up with speculation over his international future and claims he could snub both Italy and Brazil!

The former Palermo man has been on superb form with Juve this term, firing 11 Serie A goals.

There have been widespread calls for Marcello Lippi to choose Amauri for his squad to face Brazil in a friendly in February, but the prolific marksman could also be called by his native country to play against the Azzurri.

“I could say no to both teams,” Amauri claimed in La Repubblica.

“I came to Juventus as a relatively unknown player and so I don’t really need international football.

‘I would like to make things clear because of all the things that many people are saying about me.

“All this talk about my international future annoys me because it’s not as if I’m in an auction between Lippi and Carlos Dunga.

“I don’t really want to talk about it until I get an official call-up. At that point I will respond and it could be a negative reply.”

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also, i’m sure some of you saw in a previous article where inzaghi had some choice words for amauri regarding his treatment of the azzurri as a consolation. he was bang on in his opinion of amauri using italy as leverage/scare tactic against dunga and the brazilian federation (that was brilliantly followed up with the latest threat, as quoted in the last line of the above article). probably the first time in ages that fillipo has been ‘onside’.

Posted from  Canada