Comments on: Monday Azzurri News Bits

By: Provenzano

Provenzano — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:36:12 +0000

It is a joke to see people comparing del piero , an international flop with Baggio,.baggio was from another planet, del piero cant even be 60% of Baggio..i mean, even a 32 year old Baggio would have been more effective than Del piero at any stage of his career..Del Piero does not even make an impact while playing big teams like France when he gets shutt out by big defenders..when italia play big guns with del piero, it is as if we r playing with 10 men, del piero is ineffective while he can score or assist against the likes of slovenia, maldova, belarus..lol…

By: John

John — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:07:07 +0000

How Del Piero can be compared to R.Baggio may be beyond some people, thats alright, fair enough. But how some people can say that last seasons Capocannonieri is ‘finished’ is beyond me. Although to bitter Inter/Roma fans 21 goals and 9 assists from a Juve player will never mean anything.

By: alessio

alessio — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:29:07 +0000

Last year if Juve had not extended Del Pier´s contract, iam sure he would have ended up in probably in Empoli or Messina, no BIG guns would have paid what he would have demanded

Haha, are you serious? Did you pay attention? He finished capocannoniere and had 9 assists.

By: alessio

alessio — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:58:06 +0000

MOre ADP hate, so it goes.

Baggio was dumped in his prime by Juve for ADP. ‘Nuff said.

Gianfranco: the bottom line really for me at least is that we seem to be disorganized and lack any real sense of tactics anymore to get the job done. In 06 the roles seemed to be clearly defined and everyone worked to their full potential, it now seems like we are playing a “get out there and see what happens” type system, which is plain stupid for a country who has always both technically and tactically sound.

Sounds creepily accurate.

By: John

John — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:29:33 +0000

By Johonna | September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Yes, but will ADP still be around in 2010? Seriously… Not what anyone hopes or wished, but do you think he will be able to compete in the world forum in 2010?

Not as a starter no. Super sub role of course. As Alessio has said, ADP has never really relied on pace or physical strength. I’ve never been a fan of this ‘too old’ nonsence. I’d gladly welcome back Maldini to the national squad for Wednesday actually. Some may say Inzaghi is too old, but how we could have used someone like him this past summer eh? Someone who knows what to do when things are going against them (in this case the lack of goals at Euro 2008) ADP was used to great effect as a supersub in Germany at the age of 31, he is hardly going to have lost much pace by the age of 35 is he? I think its no secret that Del Piero’s pace was lost ten years ago next month in Udinie. This, of course, depends on Alex’ form in the run up to SA2010, if he is rubbish, inconsitant and no-use then no. If he is getting into double-figures in the goals tally chart and performing at a consistant level then age is no barrier.

I’m all in favour of promoting the youth too, and would love to see Mario and Seba etc at South africa 2010, but thats not to say you cant have ADP there too (form permiting).

Johonna, Gio & Gianfranco….

…If ADP hits 18 goals this year and 13 the year after, plus plays an important role in WCQ, would you really hold his age against him if you were the Italy boss?

Nina, I love Baggio really

By: John

John — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:28:27 +0000

By Johonna | September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Yes, but will ADP still be around in 2010? Seriously… Not what anyone hopes or wished, but do you think he will be able to compete in the world forum in 2010?

Nina, I love Baggio really

By: gianfranco

gianfranco — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:21:36 +0000

the bottom line really for me at least is that we seem to be disorganized and lack any real sense of tactics anymore to get the job done. In 06 the roles seemed to be clearly defined and everyone worked to their full potential, it now seems like we are playing a “get out there and see what happens” type system, which is plain stupid for a country who has always both technically and tactically sound.

By: gianfranco

gianfranco — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:19:03 +0000

Alessio, you raise another very important issue. Should Lippi rely on target men, and then subsequently on players like Camo, or does he scrap that and play with true strikers who can hold and work the ball in around the PK box. I think we lack a real indentity. I thought the Don’s foray into a 4-3-3 was interesting but he lacked the personnel to make it work but maybe we can move away from the single target man and move more towards a 2 pronged attack when a guy like ADP can be used centrally even if it is a sub, but who starts in that spot or who spells ADP in that spot if he runs himself ragged, which I am sure he will…

By: gio

gio — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:12:20 +0000

gianfranco,

i actually agree with you (and Lippi) about Balotelli. i do think he is physically ready and i would have no reservation about the performance he is capable of, though i think that mentally he needs to advance/develop more slowly. trying to push things can disturb the confidence a player has and throw things off dramatically and result in long term problems.

i was simply saying that there is an inconsistency, IMO, in regards to Lippi’s position on Balotelli vs. players like Gilardino.

or even, i do not know why he has this unreserved faith in Toni. the guy has performed well, but in a different environment with a different team behind him. he hasn’t had any consistency on the international level nor with finding his stride in the Azzurri formation. i love Toni, but he needs to be reconsidered

By: alessio

alessio — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:07:57 +0000

ADP, btw, plays slightly behind the strikers. Not up top by himself (not in a 4-5-1, Donadoni) and not on the left. (Again, not as a wide midfielder, Donadoni) Trequartista, slightly advanced.

Camoranesi was great agaisnt Cyprus, I’m going to disagree with you there Gio. He is one of the few members in the Azzurri who can beat a man and his passes and crosses are very important, especially when we have 2 prima punta’s up top. (Gilardino+Toni_