Azzurri=Juventus?

Marchisio and Giovinco looked great today. I would like to see Giovinco for Italy, especailly off the bench for a change of pace in a tight game

I don’t care what team the players come from, as long as Italy wins!

IF juve has a great year, I think a strong Juve base with Pazzini and Cassano upfront would be the way to go and with DDR in midfield

It would have cohesion and time together

Buffon
Santon,Canna,Chiellini,Grosso
DDR
Marchisio Aquilani?
Pirlo
Cassano Pazzini[Amauri]

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Diego was injured today, and Gio played behind the strikers and I think did good……………for JUVE

Hopefully he shines this season when given a chance…..

Marco, if you think Giovinco and Balotelli would do any better in England than Italy you are sadly mistaken my friend.

In England young foreigners get a chance to play and start given their skill and form. Especially on big teams (Arsenal). In italy, young talentless foreigners get starting positions (pato) while young talented italians have to play on small teams (Paloski)

With Balotelli, I certainly believe he would accel in England. If you don’t see that maybe you should buy a ticket and actually go to Italy to check out the environment these guys play in and see for yourself.

Giovinco, should move to any large team that will guarentee him playing time. I think the kid is something magical, yet had DP been dressed he would have been picked over. He is competing against two other players for a starting role and will likely not see much of the pitch. It is a very good sign that he was regaining a lot of his confidence yesterday. Last year towards the end the guy would play and only pass never shoot for fear – yesterday he was taking some dandy shots – if lippi is not selecting cassano maybe he should consider bringing giovinco.

Also, Foggia for my money had a great game as well.

http://www.football-italia.net/sep13i.html

giovinco regrets being italian…very true..it is mongrels like galliani, Lippi, Ferrara, Mourinho who deny our talented youth the opportunities which would see them make a quality leap..i mean, after watching Giovinco yesterday, i have no doubt in admitting that he is Azzurri material, what a performance he had behing Amauri and Trez…Balotelli and santon are not getting first team chances, also the mongrel Galliani is still hell bent on destroying a great team by insisting on signing players like Beckham and building the team around finished Ronaldinho..

i again repeat, Sebastian Giovinco came on as a substitute and helped change the game with a splendid performance, it was a match winning performance which stretched and extended the Lazio midfield/defence..
Sadly, Ciro Ferrara just had to say this after the match ¨¨“For me everyone in the squad is important. I have a large selection of great professionals and I know not all of them will have played the same over the season, but they will all contribute,¨¨

now, i dread for the days when we have to see 35 plus Zambrotta, Gattusso, Cannavaro and the likes playing for us in 2012..simply because if the youngsters dont get exposure, they will never be ready for the big stage..
Guys like Lippi( for not integrating De Ceglie, Motta, Santon, Santacroce, Bochetti, Giovinco, Balotelli….), Galliani( he is the cause for the down fall of the pride of Italia), Ferrara( continuing in the footsteps of his master Lippi ) are responsible for this deterioration

How about this for a debate? If Cassano was on Juve would he be called up to La Nazionale haha?

Calisi of course he would. If you look back to to around may there was heavy talk that Juventus was going to buy Cassano. Then Lippi had a special lunch with the Juve boss. Such talk immediately ended and Cannavaro was brought on in a free transfer from Madrid.

Now when I say of course he would. Had he been brought to Juventus it would mean he would fit into Lippi’s plans since Juve=Azzurri club team. But I wonder if he would have actually played – I mean imagine if Cassano was brought in, I could see Del Piero throwing tantrums like he did when Ranieri didn’t play him last year.

“In italy, young talentless foreigners get starting positions (pato)”

This comment, coupled with your statement that Buffon is pretty much crap now makes me think that you do not know much about football.

“while young talented italians have to play on small teams (Paloski)”

In the last U21 team alone, there were a number of players from the bigger clubs. Whether they play or not is down to their form.

You claim that Italian young players would excel in England. What is this based on? A hunch? Because Zola said so? Surely it cannot be based on past happenings! Name ONE young Italian player who excelled in England. As a matter of fact, name ONE young Italian player (other than Giuseppe Rossi) who excelled anywhere outside of Italy.

And Giovinco is talking shit! The reason he doesn’t play as regular as he would like is simple – he’s a fucking midget! Skills with the ball is not the only attribute needed to be a great player. You can look at many other small players who were great, but the difference between them and Giovinco is that they all had body strength – Giovinco does not. And for the position he would like to play, that attribute is terribly necessary.

All this talk about English clubs being better for youth is nonsense. For all the young players they poach from other clubs, how many of them make it into the first teams at their various clubs? Very few – I would say less than 5%. The only big clubs I could honestly say are committed to developing their own talent and bringing them through the academy to the first team are Ajax, Arsenal and Barcelona.

So you all need to stop talking out of your asses and get real! If you have all the attributes to make it as a top player, you will make it. Simple and plain.

Nnahoj’s gotta point. Also 9 champs leagues MILAN TARGET,lol, I like Paloschi as a player, I’m a Juve fan, but saying that Pato is worth shit is really something.

“In italy, young talentless foreigners get starting positions (pato)”
This comment, coupled with your statement that Buffon is pretty much crap now makes me think that you do not know much about football.
“while young talented italians have to play on small teams (Paloski)”
In the last U21 team alone, there were a number of players from the bigger clubs. Whether they play or not is down to their form.

- U21 is not club level. I find it hard to see how a 34 year old would be eligable to play at the u21.

- I never said buffon is crap, I said he was over rated and not the end all and be all (based on form exhibited last season and during the confed cup) this year he is looking quite good.

- If you think Pato is better than Paloski you need to actually watch some games. Even against a far superior Inter Paloski played very well today. Pato is a suck and is a perfect example of what is going on at Milan.

- Nnahoj, did I not mention Arsenal? Your repeating the same thing I am saying.
Onto more important points:
- Cassano had another assist today
- Balotelli played like a monster performer could have had a couple goals and had two assists.
- Di Natale scored.
- most importantly – Gilardino scored his first goal of the year. That should be enough to guarantee him a starting spot at the world cup and enough to get a juventus transfer in jan

18 year olds Santon and Balotelli both played very well today.

Mario set up a goal or two and threatened goal a couple of times. Mario also scored twice for the U21’s this past week.

Santon played a classy game at left fullback both in defense and pushing forward in attack. He was on target with his passes and he cleaned up the left side of the Inter defence.

They are very young. They are very good. They play for a big club under an incredible amount of pressure to win this season.

Neither will see the pitch on the senior National team squad with Lippi as the coach – barring desperation or friendly (that is, if the game doesn’t count) – despite playing better than their counterparts.

Santon plays defence better with more energy than Zambrotta and pushes up very well. Mario is faster and more skilled than Iaquinta, plus he can dribble or hold the ball up if he needs to and make a decent pass – which Iaquinta has trouble doing.

But we’ll never see them with Lippi.

Agreed MAD Both were fantastic today. It’s nice to know we do have these sort of players coming through the system, even if that means that under this current Lippi regime we are stuck with pylons.

Marco, I am not repeating the same drivel as you. You said that young players like Giovinco and Balotelli would do better overseas, notably England. I asked on what basis are you making that statement, which you are yet to state.

And as for the Pato – Paloschi comparison, you cannot be serious.

again , cassano with a great slide rule pass to manini helped a 10 man sampdoria to defeat Atalanta at Bergama..motherrfukker Lippi, r u watching this??
Also, Gila scored a monster of a header, a great ehader, i always said he is the best header we have..

No, he’s a miserable diving piece of shit.

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Ha, I was going to post that clip, but I found this one more entertaining.

Lippi does not select cassano for international duty – however he puts a guy that is this vicious to his own teamates and coach on the national team? I don’t get this… Please review the following footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDg2z6GV-eQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee0RDv7gyZw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbKJd_64toA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eym2s-mvtCU

*Talk about a double standard

The Italians do not appreciate the young talents that could make a positive change for the Azzurri, please read what Giovinco said:”“Sometimes I regret that I am Italian.” Sebastian Giovinco’s words are enough to make anyone from the peninsula weep tears of frustration.” If anyone of you could understand why a player like Giovinco is saying like that you would spit on Marcello Lippi and other Serie A coaches. Contrary Germany is much focusing on young talents and the future is Germany due to the fact that the system encourages young talents to be part of their national team unlike Italy. Whether it is Juventus, AC Milan, Roma or Fiorintina players who get the most call ups for Azzurri the situation remains the same, no definite change in the air and coaches are not supporting young talents to be part of the national team. It is a sad sad story.

>>Contrary Germany is much focusing on young talents and the future is Germany.

Have you heard the saying that Germans are too machenic? Germans play more with their bodies – a machine that newer is better.

Italians play more with their minds (tactik, strategy). The development of mental ability comes later than body.

But there are two players in the past started young for Italy: Baggio and Maldini. You have to be as good to start for Italy at 19.

I am not objecting Giovinco or Santon. I think they should be given chances to aprove themselves.

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This time around i’m not in 100% agreement with lippis picks. He needs to leave out qualiarella and use pazzini more. Foggia instead of pepe or camo .. and use cassnao as a trequartista. Italy doesn’t look like they have and edge.

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I believe Lippi would have called up certain players whether they played for Juve or not. Iaquinta, Grosso, Cannavaro, etc. And you know what else…players who play together at club level have a better understanding with each other than players who don’t. Juve are the top Italian team that has the most Italian players…what do you really expect? Milan are struggling hence not many Milan players are called. Inter don’t anyone other than Santon and Balotelli…and neither play regularly. Marchisio got called up because he plays regularly. Giovinco and De Ceglie did not because they don’t. So there is no double standard at all.

I do believe Lippi should call up a few different players too. Like Cassano would really help…but if Lippi thinks he’ll disrupt the dressing room or ruin the mentality of the team then I respect his decision. After all…Cassano has said that the reason he does so well at Samp is because the environment around him helps him play better. Maybe he won’t have that type of environment in the Azzurri. After all, Cassano is unproven at a big club. Not only unproven…but a disaster. At it took him a while to settle in at Samp too. If he moved to a big club and proved he could do well there…then I think he’d be ready for the Azzurri.

Juventus focuses on Italians, others not so much. Simple as that.