5 Things we learned from the Dutch Debacle

This Match EndScore is to good to be true.
People did Black Magic ( VOODOO ) on ITALY, because they are jealous that Italy is World Champion.
Captain Cannavaro get injured and cannot play, also by Black Magic.
And the Referree was very generous to Holland, also because of Sneijders birthday, so he gave them this match as a present, also by giving Italy the yellow cards instead of Holland.
This is the first time in history that Holland got this onrealistic miracles score of 3-0 against Italy.
So this miracle is definitely the cause of Black Magic !

Posted from  Netherlands

I am Dutch and I am ashamed of my countrymen’s reaction to this very strange victory. The first goal was offside. Period. Perucci did not leave the field. He was knocked out of it. The Dutch blog even shows him lying on his back while Nistelrooy scores. To allow an offside goal in that situation, while the Italians were already at a disadvantage because they only had 10 men on the field, is about as unfair as it can possibly get. But don’t worry. The Dutch are not half as good as they think they are and will be eliminated soon enough.

Posted from  Netherlands

Don define “normally.” You do realize soccer history is littered with this sort of stuff, right?

Posted from  Canada

I thought that the midfield wasn’t our problem, although I would have preferred Quags or Del Piero right behind Toni and left off Ambrosini. We made chances for whomever was playing up front. Grosso, Toni, Del Piero, Camoranesi (even if he didn’t take it) all had chances to do something and were all fed through the midfield.

The First goal was freakish, unlucky and you can’t really do anything about that.

The second and third goals were a result of our outside defenders playing too far up, not getting back in time and lacking a bit of skill. Zambrotta was in position to something both times to break up the play and was a spectator. Grosso and Panucci was nowhere to be found. Our Central guys weren’t swift enough to attack the ball coming down the field and then pick up any strays in front of the goal.

All in all it was team effort as our defenders were caught out of position and our attacking players couldn’t find net… although I thought Pirlo had two nice free kicks.

Posted from  United States

Yes De Rossi, Perrotta, Cassano, chiellini and grosso should’ve started this game withe del piero coming on for the second half. WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND…………..When the world cup champion ITALIANS are down 2-0 do you not realize as a coach that something is seriously wrong. The second goal was action time and two or three substitutions should’ve been made right there! As a coach you react and are supposed to fight fire with fire. Pull up your fucking socks donadoni!!!!!!!

Yes good call Mad. One other incident that seems to be overlooked as it’s not commented on yet is Toni’s failure to play in Di Natali in the opening stages when Cameronesi found him with a superb ball.

All he had to do was to head the ball down but he instead went for glory and put it wide. That was a certain goal and Italy would’ve been one up.

“Remember, these guys have all played a long long season: champions league, Serie A, UEFA Cup, Inter-continental Cup. Not an excuse, but a factor.”

As have the Dutch, so yeah, it really is a moot point you’re bringing up here.

“I guess you’re just jealous that even though you crushed us, the Netherlands still have won less silverware than say…ENGLAND?!”

Excuse me? Get your facts straight before commenting. TIA.

“Never thought Dutch fans to be so, so, mean. Two wrongs make a right I suppose?”

Generalizations are easy to make, aren’t they? Good job.

“Seriously, sad proof of the failures of the EU school system I guess.”

Seriously..? Should I take this comment seriously? No. Let me point and laugh again. Good god man, not only do you begin with stating some ridiculous BS, but you follow up on it with this hypocritical bullshit. What are you going to do next mister?

“The funny thing is they come on the Italy threads to showcase ignorance.”

I see, this was next.. Let me reiterate that you sir, are a hypocrite.

Good day!

Posted from  Netherlands

I have, bunchapooha. England has one WC, the Netherlands have a Euro. Find me someone who values the Euros over the WC, and I’ll give you this point.

Posted from  United States

Nistelrooy was blatantly offside, panucci was clearly off the pitch. This whole garbage about rule 11’s invocation was a damned afterthought to save the ref from the masses following the worst decision of these matches thus far. The dutch deserved their win, no doubts.

As well, go easy on the anti-Italianism, this isn’t the ’50s and it’s not fashionable to be a racist anyhow.

FORZA ITALIA

Posted from  Canada

Alessio. 1 = 1. It’s not 2. Netherlands has one, England has one, despite it being a WC and a EC, it’s not “less silverware”, whichever way you look at it.

Posted from  Netherlands

Again, find me someone who values the Euros over the WC, and I’ll give you this point.

Posted from  United States

Alaa its stanleylejuez@hotmail.com

Posted from  Aruba

@ alessio | June 10th, 2008 at 1:46 pm: Well that’s not that difficult, a lot of former WC players themselves admit that the EC are more difficult than the WC, for example read http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=730988

Quote Gallas

‘Comparisons have been drawn to France’s opening match of the 2006 World Cup when a tepid draw against Switzerland was negated by positive results against South Korea and Togo.

With Italy and the Netherlands considerably stronger than les Bleus’ adversaries from two years ago surely there is more concern in the French camp? Gallas is not convinced.

“More worry? I don’t know,” he said. “The European Championship is more difficult than a World Cup.”

Posted from  Germany

You’d think that Donadoni would know his players by now after qualification and friendlies but thats obviously not the case. He has no idea who to pair with who or who to play on the pitch period. He is definitely not the coach italy needs to do well in any sort of tournament. He reminds me alot of Trappatoni and his blunders at Korea/Japan 2002. For italy to do well from here on they have to put aside their notion that they need cannavaro to win and they need to get much more organized at the back as well as not always relying on Toni to score for them. Del Piero worked hard enough in the Serie A this year that he definitely should be in the thick of things for his side. theyve got the right idea by using an attacking formation, NOW START ATTACKING for goodness sakes!

Posted from  Canada

“Again, find me someone who values the Euros over the WC, and I’ll give you this point.”

Hehe, well you have one.

Hard one though. You can’t compare the two championships. In the WC you play more opponents, so the road to the final is longer, but not necessarily harder, all depends on who you play really. You could argue that the WC is easier to win, just because Italy has 4 of those and only 1 EC title, but it’s not really a valid argument..

I can say without certainty though, that the qualifications for the WC are easier than for the EC, no doubt about that.

Posted from  Netherlands

I can’t believe Donandoughnut left out De Rossi for this game, what was he thinking. The Roma midfielder was the form player in midfield in Serie A this year, and he would’ve added some much needed life to a midfield that was utterly dead. Gatusso was running around like a headless chicken, he looked like a red card waiting to happen. I’m a fan of his approach to the game, but he needs to cool it down, we don’t need to go down to 10 men in this group. Pirlo was below par but still the best of the starting bunch. Grosso too should never have been on the bench, Materazzi was terrible, ditto Barzagli, Chiellini should get his chance next time. The whole defence needs a shake up because it was like watching a team of 8-year olds at the back. Up front I agree Di Natale proved he can’t hack it at this level again, Camoranesi as ever lively but lacking a cutting edge that Cassano showed when he replaced him, Toni fluffed a good chance but he’s the best we’ve got in that position. Del Piero is due a big tournament and after his goal 2 years ago in Germany and slotting in a pen against Fr*nce I have a feeling now is the time. My line-up would be Buffon, Zambrotta, Panucci, Chiellini, Grosso, Pirlo, Gatusso, De Rossi, Cassano, Toni, Del Piero. Shame we can’t substitute the coach too!

Posted from  United Kingdom

“You’d think that Donadoni would know his players by now after qualification and friendlies but thats obviously not the case. He has no idea who to pair with who or who to play on the pitch period.”

Indeed. It’s a bit like taking a burger flipper and making him CEO of a billion dollar coorporation. The Italian FA should never have appointed him, he was clearly far too inexperienced, he’s a baby in management terms. Lippi – the best Italian manager of the modern era IMO – must be persuaded back to the bench after this competition whatever the cost.

Posted from  United Kingdom

hollandians are showing they are true
european champion that`s what they are
made of. spain and holland will go places.

watch out

fm; nelson
Ghana

Guys, ignore penal landers like Dean. he doesnt seem to have history or culture t he ape he is..

BTW, the latest rumours is that Donadoni is going to opt for a 4-3-1-2 with Del Piro or Cassano in that hole behind the strikers. Yesterday, the whole team went to Vienna with their family except for Talentino Cassano who opted to sleep in his room, iam sure now is the time for the greatest natural talent to showcase his skills to the world. expect Cassano to do something incredible Friday..The squad starting for the match for me should be…..
BrickWall GIGI

Mr.Como( Zambrotta) Chiellini Barzagli Grosso

Pirlo

de Rossi Ambrosini

Cassano

Toni DiNatale

Del Piero to come in for DiNatale in the 50th minute…

Guys, as far as iam concerned this is a forum for Italian fans to discuss what went wrong the other day, i see that penal landers and jealous assswipes like Dean and others are spoiling the ambience..so my request for others is just to ignore Dean..Poor thing , he has had nothing to cheer for in his life and he is pissed off with that fact..Regarding the australia match,in the first place, Italia dominated in the first half and it was a matter of time before a goal was due until that joke of a red card to Materrazzi..Also, aussies played rugby instead of football and it was pathetic to see the technical inferiority of aussies..

BTW franknelson(Ghana), Spain at the most will reach quarterfinals where they will meet Italia or Holland and will be blown off ..Holland will never win like they they did against Italia the other day on counter attacks..Fluke happens..

I have to agree with you Marco on #3 & #4. Being a Scotland fan I wasn’t sure whether to be jealous because ‘that could have been my team’ or whether to worry about playing Holland in the next WC qualifiers… Anyway, back to *now*:

From the Scottish experience of the Euro Qualifiers I would say that Di Natale was ‘alright’ but not much more. During the Euro Qs I would look at him and think “We can definitely beat the likes of him” (same went for Cameronesi)- but would look at Del Piero and think “We’ll be really lucky to beat him”. I also think that Luca Toni is definitely a strikers’ striker. By that I mean he has a knack of getting into positions to score. Sometimes he finishes, sometimes he doesn’t – but he does get into the positions. I wonder how significant the unavailability of Cannavarro was?

I’m very much looking forward to the France v Italy game; I expect Italy to impose themselves on France.

Posted from  United Kingdom

The match with Romania will be a very tense affair for me. i mean, it is no secret that Romania will defend with all they have and rely on fast counter attacks..Bringing on de rossi will give us a great option when another team is on counter attack because of his great ability to get back along the center. We must must play both Cassano and Aquilani from the start and take risks because we need to score first and then we might sneak in another one or two when Romania opens up a bit. It will be nerve wracking, Donadoni must and should realise that a draw will also definately put us out of the tournament( we have the worst goal difference, so even if we win against France in the last match, it might not be enugh)…
The three creative players, Grosso(left back), Cassano8 forward or a trequarterista in the hole behind strikers) and aquilani as the left winged midfielde must be played from the start..

materazzi only looked good in the WC because he had canna behind him to clean up his mess

Posted from  Canada